i gotta say, hell yeah (politics)
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...that's what she said. And she was totally right.
...that's what she said. And she was totally right.
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Date: 2010-10-25 04:16 am (UTC)The hard left despises Obama for being a capitalist whose policies in the GWOT are more or less the same as his predecessor's, for being another Bill Clinton accommodationist who's more interested in cuddling up to and making pointless compromises with a right wing that despises him and wants him dead than any sort of actual left agenda. He's a Democrat, which is bad enough, and he's the worst kind of Democrat- the sort that fears the Republicans more than their own constituency.
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Date: 2010-10-25 09:19 pm (UTC)I mean, crap, the linked post uses the phrase "hard-left liberal", which is the stupidest, most self-contradictory nonsense I've seen in days.
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Date: 2010-10-25 09:38 pm (UTC)I would really love to be able to just put you in touch with some people I know who are truly leftists and let them explain their own support for Obama. You can imagine that "hey, some guy you don't know on the internet wants to talk to you about this" probably isn't going to fly. If any of them made public livejournal posts or blog posts that I can find, I'd be happy to link them. I'm not saying they thought he was the messiah or whatever. I know several people who expressed support for him and definite, overt preference for him over candidates like Kucinich and Edwards (who clearly aren't leftists, but are also clearly to the left of Obama).
In practice, I'm a social democrat. The small "d" there is intentional. You could peg me as only being a few steps to the left of Bernie Sanders. Basically, I'm just left enough that liberals think I'm a nut and just not-left enough that the "hard left" doesn't see enough difference between me and liberals. It wasn't that far of a stretch for me to support someone like Edwards because of his support for real, actual universal health care and his framing of issues in terms of people who work for a living vs people who are primarily investor/owner/capitalists. I'm not naive enough to think there's no difference between Obama and McCain. In the real world, in the lives of everyday people, the difference is huge, even if both support the same fundamental organization of our society. But being able to translate that understanding into any enthusiasm for Obama was just not in my wheelhouse.
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Date: 2010-10-25 09:41 pm (UTC)Woah, woah, if we redefine down to "supporting" Obama, then hell, that's easy- I support Obama simply because I think he's less of a piece of shit than McCain would've been.
I'm not saying they thought he was the messiah or whatever.
That was in fact the point that this argument was about.
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Date: 2010-10-25 09:49 pm (UTC)My best theory as to why is that some of them got a little too caught up in the spectacle of the US electing a black man as president. But even that, I think, only describes some of them.
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